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Otis Willie PIO The American War Library
2008-12-13 06:00:09 UTC
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Obama sparks Lincoln interest
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National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg. "Lincoln's election came at a
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Morpheal
2008-12-17 01:24:22 UTC
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In Barack Obama's appearance last month on CBS's "60 Minutes," the
conversation turned to the president-elect's long-time love of
Lincoln.
"There is a wisdom there," Obama told interviewer Steve Kroft, "and a
humility about his approach to government, even before he was
president, that I just find very helpful."
Thank goodness Obama is NOT a Lincoln. Lincoln led the North on a
brutally violent crusade against the South, exactly when the South
looked like it would make strong new alliances abroad, and establish a
solid trade and industrial base for its own economy. Sure, if you have
a growing competitor right south of your own backyard, trounce them
and trounce them good so that they cannot succeed, or secede.
Whichever comes first. Nice Mr. Lincoln, best known for his "logs".

It all goes to show how martyrdom to an assassin's bullet can make a
hero out of a complete villain.

Another nice Mr. Lincoln fact is that the North needed labour for its
own industrial base and did not have enough labour. The South was an
easy target. The "abolition" of slavery in the South, and so called
"emancipation" led to cannon fodder and low paid wage labour slaves in
the North. Remember that was before unions. Remember too that blacks
in the south had some cultural life. There is clear and unequivocal
evidence of black culture in the south. You do not see anything
similar for a long time in the North. It comes later along with labor
unions, reduced working hours, days off, and wages sufficient to
support cultural activity. When a man or woman is beaten dog tired
from working the long hours, at menial labour, without modern labour
saving devices, has essentially no time off work, except Sunday to
church, and makes next to nothing to support the family there is no
culture. Not really. So "emancipation" is an interesting subject.
Remember, most advances only came in the North after long, tough,
battles between owners and unions. The social and economic advances
were not brought about by Mr. Lincoln, who deserves to have his statue
taken down and his name forgotten. He falls into about the same
category in my estimation as Stalin. The way the North treated the
South during the war and post war, was nearly as outrageously extreme.
The way the North treated blacks was as extreme as the lot of a
Stalinist exile to Siberia. Have you talked to any black factory
workers, miners, from the time period ? They would have a lot to say
to Obama, and I am sure Obama would burn Lincoln's picture immediately
after.

He is listening to the wrong ghosts.

I wish Obama a speedy return, himself, to Lincoln's paradisical North,
to work as blacks had to work. He himself would devoutly wish to
return to being valuable property, and looked after in the South in
consequence of his Northern freedom. As valuable property Southern
owners housed, fed, provided medical care, even share cropped land,
and allowed their slaves their own leisure and cultural expression. It
was a responsibility Northern factory owners and others in control
over the new wage labour black slaves as they migrated northward
didn't do for decades. Let Obama spend a week there. It would be
enough to change his mind forever. Maybe he would want to follow black
children of just after the Civil War, in the North, to work. Maybe he
could take one of their places for a day, instead of consorting with
the retrogressive likes of the villain Lincoln.

Lincoln was no saint is an understatement, but he knew how to put the
spin on a war, and the winners always write the history. He was the
Northern industrial devil, making sure that the upstart South didn't
get very far up, from being pushed down into the dirt. If you can make
more guns, faster, using cheaper labor, you win. I suppose that is
Obama's motto too, along with Lincoln. Will Obama apply the same
principle to anywhere else where he sees a challenge ? God help
America and all of us if he follows that path.
By 1996, the references had shifted. For much of that year and in
1997, there were constant invocations of Theodore Roosevelt � the
president whose historical circumstances, he argued, most resembled
his own.
Well, if Obama cannot start a world war to cover over the current
American led economic disaster, and crank start the failed American
economy, then surely he can start another war against the South. Why
not. If you cannot start a war outside your own borders, then you can
surely have a Civil War within them.

We have to consider why there was no warning of any kind as to the
economic fiasco we are now in the midst of. We can argue that the
intelligence system broke down and the government didn't know. We can
argue that the government knew but failed completely to act. Then
again we can argue that there was the idea that a nice big war could
cover it all over and make it all disappear. Which version to you
believe and which one would have appealed to Obama ?

Let's hope Obama does his bam bam bam within his own country this time
around. The way Lincoln did his bam bam bam, while the first modern
war was fought, in all its brutality and innovativeness right inside
of America itself. The world has a lot to worry about when it comes to
an American president so naive that he chooses Lincoln and Roosevelt
as his mentors. Those neural pathways were not a very good choice in
today's America, and far from progressive.

Yes, I am disappointed. Very disappointed in Obama. Already and he
isn't even inaugurated yet.

Cheers.

Robert Morpheal

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Obama sparks Lincoln interest
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{EXCERPT} The Patriot-News - PennLive.com, PA - McPherson spoke Thursday at The
National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg. "Lincoln's election came at a
transformative moment in American history and I think...
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